The atheist argument
This entire atheist-theist debate is getting to me these days. And overall, I see that most atheists are more understanding of where the theists are coming from. But theists start with the premise of 'These atheists...'. It's a free world, why in 'God's' name does anyone have to worry about anyone else's beliefs (or the lack of them). If we were even to try an intersection of the various beliefs and rituals in the world, we would end up with an empty set. So much in contradiction are the various religions and cultures of the world. What's good in one may be completely inauspicious in another. Crazy!! And everyone still wants to stick fast to what they learnt growing up.
My favourite argument has always been this - A new chess player is told to protect his Queen no matter what. Now, this is based on the assumption that the preservation of the Queen is directly related to his/her chances of winning. That said, you will still lose some and win some. And, that does not mean that you will not sacrifice the Queen if that is actually leading to a win. In the same vein, the concept of 'God' according to me, was actually introduced to make sure that the men of the world had some tenets they could follow to ensure that their and others' interests were secured. It was just easier to convince people to follow something if they were not given the option of not following it. So associating wrongful acts with the idea of divine punishment would actually make sense. Now going beyond that, if a person has actually understood this entire concept and the idea of God is not what is required to hold him/her in line, why should it be anybody else's problem what beliefs who has?!! Why has the 'source of the sin' been shifted from the person's acts to his/her beliefs or religious inclinations?
My favourite argument has always been this - A new chess player is told to protect his Queen no matter what. Now, this is based on the assumption that the preservation of the Queen is directly related to his/her chances of winning. That said, you will still lose some and win some. And, that does not mean that you will not sacrifice the Queen if that is actually leading to a win. In the same vein, the concept of 'God' according to me, was actually introduced to make sure that the men of the world had some tenets they could follow to ensure that their and others' interests were secured. It was just easier to convince people to follow something if they were not given the option of not following it. So associating wrongful acts with the idea of divine punishment would actually make sense. Now going beyond that, if a person has actually understood this entire concept and the idea of God is not what is required to hold him/her in line, why should it be anybody else's problem what beliefs who has?!! Why has the 'source of the sin' been shifted from the person's acts to his/her beliefs or religious inclinations?
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I do not think atheist have a monopoly or even a better chance of being liberal.
In fact I have seen many atheists as fanatical as any of the fundamentalists.
any ways, a very good perspective about the religion debate as well as liberalist/atheist views can be found at:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God's_Debris
(The pdf is also available on the mother web somewhere, for free :))
IMO, the terms here are muddled with each other. Theist and atheist views pertain to believing in "God". Religions and rituals are related to this vaguely, but are definitely distinct from "God", and pertain to the social aspect. This is independent of the question of whether or not there exists a "higher truth", which in turn is independent of morals, sin and virtue, which according to me, exist just because evolution has ingrained them in us.
One does not have to find common elements in religions and/or rituals to derive a meaning in them or their existence. Rituals are just traditions that express any sentiment in a symbolic way. Why do people celebrate birthdays? It's just another revolution around the sun! The point is the symbolism- some way of marking your existence for the period you have been here, to cherish the good memories, and look ahead, beyond the bad ones. According to me, rituals can be viewed in the same way. (It's a different matter that you don't *need* birthday celebration or rituals to "feel" a certain way, but they just make life more interesting perhaps). And they are distinct from "God" or "Theism", which also means, there could exist theists who view rituals and "God" as distinct concepts. On the other end of the specturm are people whose lives are *governed* by rituals, and definitely, I wouldn't wanna be them. :)
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